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a fuse box ahead of what could be the prosecutions final day to make their case against chauvin. a source tells nbc news that one of the last witnesses will be one of george floyd's family members. we're live from minneapolis and brooklyn center with the latest on the ground. later in the show, our own nbc news exclusive as our network marks 100 days since the january 6th alcohol riot. >> does it feel strange to sit alongside of your their miss talking publicly about your own mental health challenges. >> yeah, this is not something i ever expected. more from that interview later in the show, i'm hallie jackson in washington with meghan fitzgerald, shaq
brewster. i'm going to get to you in a second, shaq, because is understand there is a discussion over a use of force witness they want to testimony. you're in brooklyn center, a suburb of minneapolis, what are police saying about the shooting of this 20-year-old driver? >> i can tell you the situation right now is tense. we're talking about a community on edge. what we heard from protestors last night is they're tired. they're protesting and mourning the life of another black body killed at the hands of law enforcement. i want to set the scene for you. we're outside of the brooklyn center police department here. a significant police presence, officers in riot gear, they have been out here for several hours now. it all started yesterday afternoon with a traffic stop. dante wright, pulled over for a traffic violation. according to his mother he was pulled over for having air
freshenners on his rear-view mirror which is illegal. he goes back into his vehicle and shots are fired and he is killed. that sparks protestors going to the neighborhood where he was shot and killed. crowds grow growing, hundreds of people there are met by people in riot gear there. protestors throughout the night and into the early morning hours make their way to the police department behind me here. that's where we see things start to escalate. that's where the tear gas is deployed, flash bangs are deployed. people went there and started looting. of course the national guard on seen are there right now. of course you see the law enforcement presence behind me here as things continue to evolve. this is an active and on-going investigation. there is police body camera. the state law enforcement agency is conducting this
investigation, and we're standing by in just about an hour or so to get a press conference. more information, from the mayor. and as to exactly what happened and what's going on. at this point, hallie, that is the very latest. >> so shaq, meghan, stand by. is what happened in brooklyn center affecting things where you are in minneapolis so far? >> well, hallie we know if you look at the courthouse we saw the very visible presence, the bashed wire, the national guard presence, there is about 100 members activated since jury selection began. that seems to be escalated now. we know from the national guard they're now tells nbc news there is now 500 members of the national guard activated. it is part of an activation safety net. it is also coordination between state and law enforcement agencies. that is always expected to ramp up. what you saw happen in brooklyn
center accelerated the ramp up of that, hallie. >> let me pick up on that point with you. if there is an impact on the trial here, as it relates to the jurors here that live in and around minneapolis. >> yes, the defense could ask the jurors to be questioned about what they know and if it could impact them. worst case scenario they could seek a mistrial. i'm also very concerned that we're hearing reports that police demanded that the passenger in the car, dante wright's girlfriend shut off her phone. given how critical civilian video evidence was in the chauvin trial, if they're stopping that by stomping on people's rights, they need to
allow people to record as long as they're not interfeing with a arrest in goes to trust. >> i want to bring back up if we can a live shot of the courtroom right now. typically we would show this to you live if for example witnesses are testifying, but there are motions going through. the judge is hearing arguments from the defense and the prosecution about a witness that the prosecution wants to call to testify on the use of force. the defense is saying that is, in so many words, redundant. it is cumulative. they heard from so many use of force experts. the defense has a legitimate concern that this is becoming cumulative. how could this play out. who does the prosecution want to call. fill us in on what we have been listening to. >> it's a use of force expert and that's why i keep pulling up this ear piece, i'm listening to what was happening in the courtroom. the judge is expressing skepticism that this new expert,
that he will provide anything new this case. he was questioning the prosecution. what do you plan to ask him? how many times will that video show up? the concern is that after we heard from the police chief, from lieutenant zimmerman, the most senior member of the minneapolis police department, they all expressed their opinions on derek chauvin's use of force. they are just added to that, it's not a witness that will add anything new here. the prosecution is arguing that this use of force expert is relevant because he is approaching it from an academic perspective. that he will be able to speak to what he is seeing and what the guidelines are and speak to the idea that it's not relevant in this instance. something that we can pull from what is happening in the courtroom is the idea that the prosecution is starting to wrap up it's case. we know they were expected to rest their case sometime early this week. the first witness we're expecting to hear from is a a cardiologist. we were planning to hear from
them last week and it got pushed to this week as they made a case about the medical testimony. we also know we'll hear from a family member of george floyd. he said it was a brother of george floyd. someone who is considered a spark of life witness. someone who can speak to the loss of george floyd and the type of person that george floyd was. and the prosecution is trying to have this additional witness. the judge has not made his particular ruling just yet based on what i was hearing, but it seems like he is skeptical right now. the judge is continues to ask how relevant this new witness will be to the overall case. >> shaq, thank you for that. i know you will stay on top of it. we are waiting now for testimony to begin on what could be the last day of testimony from the prosecution. we're going to turn back to what
is happening in washington, though. there is plenty with congress back in town after a couple weeks off because of a break. some of those members of congress are being sent over to the white house today. he and the vice president will meet with members from both chambers including roger wicker. >> this number is way too high for me, i will just tell you, but the negotiation has to be different from what we had on the rescue plan. >> carol lee is outside of the white house for us. the question is, where does the compromise come in? what does each side give? we know what senate republicans think because of a memo put out a couple moments ago. they're being pretty straightforward about it calling this a slush fund, what are you hearing? >> that memo coming before the
president gathers this bipartisan group of lawmakers and underscoring what a challenge it will be for him to get any bipartisan support for this jobs bill. the republicans are calling this a slush fund. they also call it a wish list of non-infrastructure spending and a flurry of tax hikes. they think it is too big. it's not just narrowly targeted on what they would see as infrastructure. the white house has a different definition of that and they don't support raising taxes on corporations which is how the president proposed paying for thunder so far. so it is really something where the white house is going to try to win over some republicans. look, this bill is going to change regardless because even some democrats notably senatormanchin of west virginia don't support the way that the president is paying for this saying that the corporate tax increase too high for him.
that has to come down. it's all a matter of what the white house is willing to compromise on here, hallie. >> i know you will stay on top of all of the developments from that meeting later on today. we expect to see the witnesses on the stand for the chauvin trial. we're going to bring that to you live when it begins. plus a record number of americans got the covid vaccine over the weekend into why is one state begging for more doses? and our exclusive with dan killdee. he is joined by his therapist. speaking about his struggles after the january 6th riot. after the january 6th riot of ga. their only friend? the open road. i have friends. [ chuckles ] well, he may have friends, but he rides alone. that's jeremy, right there! we're literally riding together.
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not commenting on what was happening on january 6th. pence made an urgent call to the affecting defense secretary pleading him to "clear the capitol" according to an internal document. we're also hearing from someone else who was there that day barricaded in the house chamber. congressman dan kildee opening up publicly about his mental health struggles since then in our exclusive interview. >> it is one of the most familiar and chilling scenes from january 6th. officers, guns drawn, in the house chamber. behind the doors the insurrectionists. >> take your pins off. >> congressman dan kildee who was huddled in the gallery
documenting it. >> what happened in those interim weeks to you? >> i went home. i thought i was fine. it was after i got home and i started looking at some of the video from the event. i thought it was a few dozen, but it was hundreds and hundreds of people. i had a lot of tension in my chest, breathing was difficult, and i became really irritable. >> you were stressed, anxious, having chest pain. >> a friend in congress suggested that kildee reach out to dr. jim gordon who worked in areas. kildee called him and he immediately recognized post-traumatic stress.
>> what he is talking about is what people experience. all of the symptoms that he just described to you. they're all fight or flight that is being prolonged. >> but they're supposed to go away. >> they didn't and they have not gone away. and they're still there for people that have not attended to them. >> i just had a heightened state of awareness. >> hyper vigilance. >> does it feel strange to sit alongside your therapist in congress talking about mental health challenges? >> yeah, this is not something i anticipated, but i'm just really grateful that we connected and that i was able to get help when i needed it the most. >> their sessions nearly every saturday have helped, so did the meditation techniques.
they hope to organize group sessions. >> there is debris you can touch and feel and look at and clean up, but there is also fallout that is invisible that you can't see? >> for sure. we all carry it around with us. every one of us. it is just -- it is a day i will never forget. >> the congressman hoping that opening up now will help others do the same. >> i want to encourage so many other people to also say oh yeah, that's going on with me. it doesn't mean i'm crazy, it means i have been through a difficult time. >> most people who experience trauma don't experience it in realtime on every network across the world. they do it privately, quietly, painfully, silently. alone. and so if i can speak to them, that's what i want to do. >> we will have a lot measure, marking the january 6th siege
anniversary. we'll bring you part two of our series looking at mental health fall you president the numbers of both vaccinations and positive cases of covid have gone up. that is happening as the country sees his third straight week of new covid cases and rising hospitalizations. pret asoapering reality check especially in michigan. the white house so far is declining to do that instead ticking with their blan to distribute doses based on how many people live in a given area. >> one of the reasons why we're hesitant to make that redistribution is because when you take it away from one taint
you never know where you will have another surge, so you may be essentially is a sill dating a surge in one place by pulling vaccines away as you try to prevent it or blunt it in another state. >> good morning, hallie. in michigan they're ahead of those numbers looking at the rest of their country and their seventh week of cases. that's why the governor, aside from what you heard, is at an event as we speak urging for bipartisan approach to call for president biden to allocate more vaccine doses. she doesn't see any other way to help curb the spread here. she issued voluntary restrictions saying people should not be going inside to
eat any more. they want school sports to go on cause, but these are all voluntary. they are also running this drive through testing site saying they have not even seen the peek of what they need to test yet. i spoke with the president and asked him are these voluntary restrictions enough in your mind to prevent this spread from going even further? >> it's a health issue. people get hurt and they die. and we need to address it like a health issue. no, we need more, we need a stricter stance. it is difficult for her, but we need to take a stronger stance and people need to be safe. >> he said there needs to be a more focused approach but said he doubted that people would even follow pretrixs. some he's experts saying
asking -- it is something that is not a federal approach, the state has to order those anti-bodies. so i asked if they're ordering more than that. so these are some of the targeted approaches their looking at to make sure we don't see it replicated across the country. >> mora, thank you. we're keeping an eye on the minneapolis courtroom where we expect witness testimony to start in a couple minutes. we're going to check back live on what the issue is there. plus new details of what the former president called the senate's top republican and you can't say that on television. what that might mean and why it might surprise you. it might surprise you
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let me bring back in shaq brewster. i want to bring in paul butler, and rachael polus is joining us, too. one issue we talked about at the top of the show has been settled and that is whether or not this expert on use of force can testify. now the discussion involves someone named maurice hall who was with george floyd before his death. >> sure, let's start with what we were talking about earlier in terms of the expert that the prosecution is trying to call. the judge said he will allow testimony from that expert in a limited form. he will allow that expert, excuse me, to testify about the crowd, for example. that is an argument you have been hearing from the defense. he addressed the specifics on the crowd. we also know the judge denied testimony on what is called auditory paradilia.
it is the idea that you can hear things that you're prompted to hear. this goes back to what we heard last week when the defense asked one of the witnesses if he heard george floyd say "i ate too many drugs" and the prosecution in the redirection got the witness to say that george floyd said "i ain't do no drugs." so they want to bring in an expert who is an expert at looking at body camera video to help clear that up. the judge denied that part saying both sides got their point across in that cross-examination before. we also know that they're going over the testimony and arguments over whether or not to allow this. maurice hall was a passenger in george floyd's vehicle that told investigators after the incident
that george floyd was sleeping. he was ingested drugs. he possibly ingested drugs. he if is compelled to testify, he will use his fifth amendment from testifying. so we're getting in very complex legal issues right now and bottom line the judge is suggesting that he will call mr. hall to the stand, if he wants to plead the fifth, that's his right. now they're debating how far to go. how much to limit, and whether or not the state can give mr. hall immunity for his testimony. that's the issues that we're going through again. the jury is not in the room watching these arguments take place and it seems like that argument is still going on as we speak. >> we have been watching this
trial, there is a little discussion and then the jury walks in the room, the witnesses begin their testimony, and that has been pushed. these legal issues are getting woshed out. shaq explained what is happening, can you put into laymans terms for us why this matters? why is this important for the defense and the prosecution to make their argument about maurice hall, for example. >> so in the case of maurice hall, the defense wants to use him as one of their key witnesses. he was in the car with mr. floyd, and the people said that it was mr. hall who they believed knew about the counterfeit bill. he has a fifth amendment right not to testify if that could get him in trouble with the criminal law and so he is invoking that
right. the prosecution actually has a big advantage in situations like this because they have the power to give mr. hall immunity. he won't be in trouble for anything he says in court and then his fifth amendment right would not apply. the defense doesn't have that same ability. they have to negotiate, they have to work this out with the judge and with the prosecutor. >> look ahead, can rachel, if you can to the strategy for the prosecution today. we know they could rest their case as early as today possibly. we know we will be hearing from dr. jonathan rich, a heart specialist. we also know from the reporting from our team on the ground that one of george floyd's family members is expected to speak as well. what would they think in bringing the witnesses towards the end of their case.
>> they are saying the prosecution is trying to anticipate what the defense's case will look like if they, indeed, do put on witnesses as they suggesting they will. so what have they focused on? they focused on the use of force here. the prosecution is in a way preempting that by bringing in their own use of force expert. they're focusing on mr. floyd's health conditions as an actual cause of death, so they're anticipating that by bringing in this heart specialist that will testify that his heart conditions did not cause his death. they will focus on his drug use. they want to create this side show, and the government has to think about how they will present that narrative, and finally they have tried to
dehumanize him. they want to bring in a park of life prosecutor and they're trying to pre-emptively deal with that. as a father, as a brother, and as a family member. >> as you were talking we're getting new information from the court. the guj says he will rule on that at 20:0 earn. and shack, the defense is now asking for the jury to be sequestered. what specifically does the defense want and why? >> yeah, i'm listening to the court as you're saying this. eric nelson just moved to sequester the jury siting the police shooting we saw yesterday
in brooklyn center which is 10 or 15 minutes away from where i'm standing right now. we know the jury has not been sequestered throughout this process. they have been going home each and every night. the judge said they will not be sequestered deliberations begin. he said he would be willing to sequester them at a moment's notice and that that could change at over the course of a trial. and now they are making a molt with the course. they're saying based on what we saw last night not only a police shooting, but the reaction to that shooting, the demonstration, the looting and rioting, in reaction to that, he is asking the jury but sequestered immediately.
>> i will let you put that ear piece back in so you can continue to listen to what we're hearing in the courtroom. it is not insignificant if the jury were to be sequestered here. we have been talking about this big story here tonight. what is your sense of why the defense would ask this and how it would benefit them and what the judge might do in an instance like this? >> the defense has a legitimate concern. hearing about this other police involved shooting will somehow impact the jury that hurts officer chauvin's defense. and the defense could expand that to include any news about the most recent shooting. they may poll each jury on what they aerd and whether or not
they can be objective if this trial. there is a tremendous amount of resources invested in this trial. the defense attorneys will use any excuse to ask for a mistrial. i think that is very unlikely and unless a juror has been kmieed in a way like we have heard now, they are not thinking the judge will do that at this point. >> let me ask you, paul, and i don't mean to hound like a total layman, but i am, isn't the horse out of the barn at this point? presumably folks that live in mississippi would have already heard about it as well, they can't unhear it, paul. >> the judge would hope that
they would immediately turn off the news and hopefully they have understood that. they are sering on this jury. >> rachael, the judge is telling the jury to avoid all of the media, what would it look like for those to go through, and if this jury were to be sequestered or questioned about this other shooting in mississippi that would cause a delay in this trial, no? >> i think it means first of all that the jurors would have to shut off the tv, the radio, and the iphones. one juror got a e-mail from a family member regarding the
trial. i think they're being extrod gnarly careful. i think the judge knows he needs to protect this government. they don't get to appeal if he is acquitted of all charges. however, if he is convicted then the judge has to be thinking that no one wants to try this case all over again and he needs to think about the grounds on which he could appeal, and keep them from having tainted views or duly influence them. >> what we're watching live now is the prosecution, perhaps unsurprisingly, arguing they do not want the jury to go through furg questioning. we're going to sneak in a quick break in the meantime and then
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all day strong. a quick update from minneapolis, the judge denied the claim for the jury to be sequestered. you see that live shot of the seal. that is our indication they're in recess for a moment. we expect the jury to be brought in and then the witness testimony to begin. in the meantime we're talking about what is going on down in south florida. a source telling nbc news that he took very verbal aim at mitch mcconnell and mike pence at a fundraiser. i want to bring in kelly mcdonald. what kind of response are we expecting on this?
>> lawmakers are back in dc after their easter recess. there will be an opportunity to put this to mitch mcconnell who was the discuss of the furry and fear. donald trump saying things like he has in the past, but amped it up a little bit. expletives, and he brought in mitch mcconnell's wife that served as transportation secretary. she resigned shortly after the insurrection, and donald trump said he never thanked him for hiring his wive. that kind of a thing that is a little messy, a little inside, and sort of the red meat that republican donors were expecting. so some of that mirroring what the president has said before. also expressing his disappoint
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the jury is in the courtroom for the murder trial of derek chauvin. you can see the defense seated. we expect the prosecution to begin its questioning of their first witness. we know that as early as today, it is possible that the prosecution will rest its case, turning this trial, in effect, over to the defense. you can see that witness being seated now. it's dr. jonathan rich, i believe cardioloist we talked about earlier in the show. we will listen to his testimony beginning now. >> having you give us your full name. >> my name is jonathan rich. >> mr. blackwell. >> a brief sidebar.
>> quick sidebar here as dr. jonathan rich has been seated. he is a heart doctor from chicago. we know the prosecution had wanted to call him last week. it was delayed until today. after dr. rich, it is not clear what order the rest of the witnesses for the prosecution will be called in. we do expect, based on what sources close to the trial have told us, that the prosecutors will call a family member of george floyd. let's go back now to listen to dr. rich's testimony. >> mr. blackwell. >> thank you, your honor. dr. rich, you are a medical
doctor? you have to answer, yes, sir. >> yes, sir. >> would you tell us where you are currently employed? >> sure. i am a cardiologist at northwestern memorial hospital in chicago, illinois. i also am an associate professor of medicine at northwestern university. >> dr. rich, what have you come to talk to the jury about today? >> i'm here as an expert in cardiology to provide my opinion as to how mr. george floyd died. >> have you ever testified in a court of law before? >> this is my first time. >> would you briefly summarize for us your educational background? >> sure. i attended the university of illinois for my undergraduate studies where i majored in biology and performed my pre-medical course work. >> where did you go to medical school? >> the albert einstein college
of medicine in new york. >> do you know what a residency? >> yes, i do know what a residency is. >> would you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what a residency is? >> sure. after completing medical school, i went on to do training in internal medicine. that training is referred to as a residency. i believe the term originated because you seem to spend all your time in the hospital. you are basically a resident there. so that was a three-year internal medicine residency. >> where did you do that residency? >> i did that at the brigham and women's hospital. >> did you also have something called a fellowship? >> yes, i did. >> what is a fellowship? >> upon completing internal medicine residency training, many will go on to practice at that point. i opted to specialize in cardiology. so when you take on an additional specialty, that form of training is referred to as a
fellowship. >> did you do a fellowship? >> yes. >> where did you do your fellowship? >> at the university of chicago. >> were you what's known as a chief fellow? >> yes, i was the chief fellow. >> what is a chief fellow? >> every fellowship program has about, on average, 18 cardiology fellows, six in each class. so i was bestowed the honor to be the chief fellow had is basically the captain of the group. >> did you have any additional training after your fellowship? >> yes, i did. >> what was that? >> after completing cardiology fellowship, i decided i wanted to subspecialize further in a field of advanced heart disease that focuses on heart failure and heart transplantation. >> are you board certified?
>> yes. i am board certified in cardiovascular diseases and in advanced heart failure and transplant medicine. >> transplant cardiology? >> that's correct. >> what is transplant cardiology as a field? >> thankfully, most people are not going to need a heart transplant. on occasion, patient's hearts will worsen over time and get to the point where they are weak and can't function on their own anymore. the medicine isn't working. the field of transplant cardiology is one in which we try to see if we can find a suitable match for that individual to get them a heart transplant, essentially to restore their life. >> are you trained in basic and advanced cardiac life support? >> yes, i am. and i renew that training every two years as part of my job. >> let's talk a bit about your employment background. after you finished your fellowship, where did you go to work? >> after completing the heart
failure and transplant fellowship, i took my first position at the university of chicago as a cardiovascular specialist in heart failure. >> were you employed there until may of 2013? >> that is correct. >> where did you go to work after that? >> since may of 2013, i have been at northwestern university, as i mentioned earlier, as one of the heart failure and transplant cardiologists. >> do you hold any leadership positions at northwestern? >> yes, i do. >> what's that? >> so one of them is i am the medical director of the mechanical circulatory support program. >> mechanical circulatory support program? >> right. >> what is that? >> i will keep it brief. basically, we talked about heart transplant for a minute. patients whose hearts become very weak and perhaps they're not a good suitable match for a transplant or they just don't have time to wait for a transplant, we can implant mechanical heart pumps that
combined with their weakened heart can restore blood flow to their body to improve their quality of life and allow them to live longer. >> do you have any other relevant leadership positions at northwestern? >> yes, i do. i'm also the program director of the advanced heart failure and transplant fellowship training program. >> what does your job at northwestern entail as relates to heart disease treatment, prevention? >> sure. i could answer that by basically putting it into three major domains. as a cardiologist, i perform a lot of clinical work that is probably the most intensive part of my job. >> before you go on, would you tell the jury, what's meant by clinical work as compared to what? >> absolutely. clinical work basically means patient care. it's the actual act of taking care of patients, whether it be in the hospital, outside the hospital. that's what we think of when we
say clinical. i also do a fair amount of education and teaching. i teach the students, residents and fellows. i travel across the country and deliver lectures on a variety of cardiovascular topics and help chair medical meetings. the third part of my job as a cardiologist is i conduct clinical research and have been doing so in a variety of cardiovascular diseases for nearly 20 years. >> do you spend most of your time providing clinical care to patients? >> yes. that is, for sure, the most intense aspect of my job. >> what does your clinical practice entail in terms of taking care of patients? >> sure. my clinical practice has three components. number one is my job in the hospital. so i spend several months, sometimes four to five months of the year as the lead cardiologist rounding in the hospital, taking care of
basically the sickest heart disease patients in the hospital. and i also oversee their care in the intensive care unit. the second part of my clinical duties is i see patients in the outpatient setting, in the office, in the clinic. i evaluate, diagnose and treat patients. close to 50% of the patients, the new ones i see in the clinic, are referred by other cardiologists because these patients can sometimes have pretty complex medical conditions. then the third part of my clinical work is i perform procedures in a procedural suite we call the cath lab where i measure pressures inside the heart and inside the lungs. sometimes i will also take small biopsy samples of the inner lining of the heart for diagnostic purposes. >> given that you deal with a